VB thinks we are all blind.

3 posts on the trot I'm beginning to feel almost like a spammer. Anyway, everyone has their own concerns which they are entitled to express I have always been an advocate to express your concerns. The best feedback, suggestions you'll ever get is from your community and your long serving customers/members. Like I mentioned previously, what may seem trivial to some people is not to others. Everyone values their area where they try to enhance vbulletin and more importantly get those ideas into the stock package so that alterations/modifications are kept to a minimum when the customers gets their hands on the final product.

What we have here is a group of people thinking one area is more important than some when it is not. Not by a long shot. Never before has vb had such negative feedback. why is that? Let's start asking the more fundamental questions here and let's see if this backs track to my trival concerns? It all adds up in the end to one big major disaster. Which, is what we have today with the product.

 

I complained about that huge bloody eyesore that day it was released, as did many others. Nothing changed.

 

We sure did. Loudly, I might add.

 

I wasn't going to complain because as I see it, the future of vbulletin (well for me isn't looking good) Hopefully it will change because I enjoy using the software. But I won't hold out to much hope, I've started making changes already to make a move elsewhere on the chance things turn really sour.

It's a shame. I hope the product really doesn't retain this consistent standard from IB. but you expect a standard you don't expect it to be lowered. Anyway. getting on with it now.

 

It really is interesting to me which things that we (the Alpha & Beta testers) brought up during that process were acted on and those that weren't...never did make any sense to me.

 

So how many INET forums have been migrated to 4.0 now that it's "Gold".

 

You can dish out all these sarcastic comments against person X, product Y, or website Z... yet... when one gets dished to you, you have to go on a tirade?

Reading through this thread, I made one sarcastic comment about you "complaining" and it's turned into this, a pointless debate.

My first post, which countered yours, contained nothing but my opinion that this topic is trivial and that the size of the buttons are simply following the Web 2.0 "trend." As well as an admittedly snide remark about yourself.

Now, reading my second post, I make another snide remark, again about you're inability to explain your concerns without throwing a sarcastic remark into the mix.

Now, moving on. I said the buttons were "trivial" because there are more important matters at hand than the size of the buttons.

If I were you, and really wanted to try and make vB4 back up to the standard it was before, I'd go directly to the heart of why vBulletin 4 isn't up to par.

Why are there still 2,000+ bugs in the bug tracker? Why is the CMS still running 100 to 200 queries per pageload*? Why can't we use the Widget framework on the forum? Why are we limited in what SEO URL's we can use? Why are there such shoddy CSS hacks in place for things that can be handled server side (such as the comma separation on the Who's Online list)? And where the %*$^ is James Limm?

* I defended this one, however new information cropped up that I did not know before, that pretty much invalidates my defense.

Am I running vBulletin 4? Nope... Will I? Maybe... I'll be taking the road that's easiest to travel. I just simply haven't decided yet.

Now... back to my vacation.

 

Ryan, I'm more than happy to carry this on. Your snide remarks and loose assumptions about me complaining don't hold up. My first post was prity much very well explained. If you couldn't grasp the concept of my explanation or found it disturbing you should have walked away. Remember, snide remarks from the get go (which I'll remind you directed at me) is what causes threads to go off-topic.

I highlighted even provided screenshots on some areas I found notoriously bad Heck I could post more but I wouldn't want to give the hard core advocated of vbulletin customer a heart attack.

Following the web 2.0 trend? Are we speaking functionality here or visual representation? Anyway, we keep hearing that some areas I mentioned are trivual, well, there's a lot of trivial things wrong and when they amount to a large size they result in 1 major disaster. I'm not here to change your mind about the product, nor you are with me but what we have is a bad product which overall is not ready for the end consumer. The post I created here is just to highlight one of many areas.

But that doesn't explain your snide remark Ryan from the reply you made which was not warranted. Now really was it?

 

Those icons are horrendous I agree. That is the first thing I noticed, and not because they looked good in any way, shape, or form. The design is not even what's bad, it's just a bad quality image. Almost blurry, I can't even look at them for very long.

 

Someone that actually got the point in what I'm saying.

Let me give you an example... BTW this was literally a 1 minute job. Compare the quality (not the design) quality. a 1 minute job by me and it makes you wonder what the designer was doing. Disgusting.

<< shelley design | vbulletin design >> View attachment awww.adminaddict.net_data_MetaMirrorCache_ebbd40d60d74f7b538cf23fda62df3d7.png

IB knew they had loyal customers to back them, from members who complained and would ultimately be bashed to death and delt "but this is trivial" "use another software" etc etc and so forth. They where told when they showed concern months ago "wait for the product" they waited, and this is what they/you got. You accept mediocrity, you'll damn right get it. Don't even get me started on the link icon. LOL

 

Told 'em they should have hired you. Yes we did.

 

So when is this set being released. :doh: