Is xenForo Dying?

Over a year and a half and still the case is still running and running..........

 

Just checked vBulletin and it's down again. What's going on there at all? Spill the beanz Mark, what have you done! :nono:

 

Earlier they said there had been a small fire on the roof of the building and some of the servers were affected, or something.

 

Tried visiting earlier and it wasn't loading for me, guess they must still be having issues then from yesterday.

 

It is indeed up and down again this evening, my money's on some form of attack.

 

Seems funny they are up one minute down the next, I would have thought that, some kind of DDoS attack taking place.

 

Just been reading that vBulletin 4.1.12 will be released soon.

Link: https://www.vbulleti...Bulletin-4-1-12

 

4.1.12 has been out for weeks now.

 

Ah right, my mistake I didn't check the date and presumed it was a new post displayed in the sidebar just made.

 

Tell me about it .. One measly fire and you'd think the world had ended

 

I avoided posting a reply to this before about Brogan (and for a reason). Now I've spotted something today on XenForo, so will reply now. Sorry, but I don't agree with either of you. Brogan, isn't Steve Machol. The same way "Steve Machol" was never a "Wayne Luke". They all have their different style of moderating and different personality coming with it. But think Brogan does just as good a job really.

It seems he's taken your comments a little too much to heart reading them here, even posting a new status update saying "Time to call it a day I think", referring to this forum and your comments made. He's been missing online since at XF also. To be fair, he's had a tough job at XenForo with Kier, Mike and Ashley not posting any updates and people screaming and falling out with one another over it all, pretty much doing a SOLO moderating job too. Not an easy thing and not sure how even Steve Machol and Waye Luke would have coped with things (together as a team), but known for sure "Steve" would have been much more incline to issue warning out to shut you up, or just ban you outright! They wasn't soft touches at vBulletin, instead they dealt with things mostly behind the scene playing hard-ball using warning and bans via Private Messages.

 

Thing is Bob, does he know anything about what's happening behind the scene to give people any extra information though? I'll agree at vBulletin if your post was deleted you usually got a PM explaining why, along with a warning in some cases. I've had posts deleted at XF with nothing said to me, a few in fact recently! But they don't have a proper PM system there as such like vBulletin has.

But will agree in saying it seems a little ignorant to delete your post and say nothing, but on other-hand if knowing it did "warrant being removed", I'm not that fussed about it to be honest. Keep in mind there's only really been Brogan moderating SOLO on XenForo, he won't have as much time to keep posting reasons why he deleted a persons post. Different when you have more moderators like at vBulletin, there wasn't only Steve and Wayne, there was others like Floris, Bruce, Zack e.t.c. They could do that, sending a PM explaning while other mods there were still moderating things at the very same time.

Just looking at the bigger picture here. You can't compare vBulletin with lots of mods online, to XenForo having basically one active mod present 90% of the time in just Brogan having to deal with everything himself alone. Obvious some corners will have to be cut, like PM'ing every single person who's post you delete, it's just not realistic!

 

Isn't Brogan a volunteer moderator though? I don't think he's "paid staff".
Whilst he might not always have the greatest way with words, you need to look at the support he gives to the community, not so much the moderating side of it.

Even with all the recent troubles, he's still in there posting responses to people's questions and pointing them in the right direction. His knowledge of the software is great and I think if he hadn't been in there doing all that, where would it be now?

As to the situation with XenForo's owners, I'd be surprised if he knows a great deal more than we do, even if he did he wouldn't be permitted to say so. Overall I applaud his efforts in there.

 

Oh and I disagree that he's a coward, but even if he was, it can be forgiven considering some of the abuse he's been getting.

 

Good point Mark, he's not a paid moderator like Wayne Luke or Steve Machol.

 

If Brogan really is on the verge of quitting then it's a TERRIBLE DAY for the concept of volunteers providing services on the internet to keep products free/low cost.

We'll all suffer in the long run. It's like the mod author's who get abused on vbulletin.org. I've called a fair few instances out in my time and told people to back off.

 

Read his profile and his last status updates made.