Got Banned from vBulletin.COM today

Sarcasm would not describe what my attitude was. My attitude was frustration [towards IB], because with all that millions of dollars... It could have gone to better use.

I mean, suing a small company with all of that legal "arm wrestling"? Yeah, no.

See, folks... This goes to show how branding has a hand in how customers respond to actions such as this, and the lawsuit such as IB/vBSI vs XF Ltd.

Anyhow, I don't think you understand the concept of "appeasing customers." So I won't bother arguing with you. I and others have stated many times that not only should the ForumRunner forum be the support forum for FR, vB.com should also be the support forum for FR, too.

No, it's not doing it wrong. Like I said before, there's a lack of activity in the FR support forum.

 

I would love to hear Joe's take on things especially now that they have a ForumRunner support forum on vBulletin.COM.

I tried going through the proper channels of getting support at the ForumRunner Website, unfortunately Zachery got caught not really playing attending when after my 6th or 7th post he finally read what I was saying and then said later that I was correct and there is an error on their website but he can't do anything to fix it as its not his department to fix.

IB / vBulletin is in a world of hurt, the attitud I am seeing from Wayne Luke and others at vBulletin.COM where they are supposed to be HELPING PEOPLE is showing the world that they should NOT spend their money on vBulletin or with Internet Brands.

 

BTW went to log in today and I am still banned...

But in seeing I was banned I noticed another bug in vBulletin 5. (See the pic below)

 

I hadn't noticed this in your other screenshot, or maybe it wasn't there.
But why would it say they don't provide support when they do in fact have a forum runner support forum now?

 

It wouldn't be a surprise if there's a bug in the system preventing you from getting unbanned.
Could be an idea to email support.

 

Oh, SHUT THE FRONT DOOR! There is nothing I hate more than people generalizing about corperations that try to get cute with it's customers. Man, I hate when they provide customer service and are nice to me. I especially hate when they have to watch what they say for legal reasons.

I own multiple forums and people breaking the rules is different than someone breaking their contract to a company that is incorperated.

I believe he states this multiple times.

So far...so good.

Whoops! First mistake here. Just because two products are under the same company doesn't mean they work together. I feel like you have examples and I'll fix that. For example: Volkswagen Group owns: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Ducati, Suzuki, and more. All of these guys don't work together because they are under the "same umbrellea"

Two seperate products are two separate teams. They are both trying to appease the customer. People like you just seem bitter. They aren't the same product. You mistake that. Just because they work together doesn't mean they are the same product. I can use ForumRunner on other blogs than vBulletin. They are separate. You don't understand acquisitions. You need to learn how companies work.

You make another mistake here. You generalize. When making an argument, you need FACTS. Generalizing doesn't work. It sounds cool, but makes you look like an idiot. Name these companies. He is trying to make people feel comfortable with his brand right now and this slanderous post is tainting that.

You have come to understand that vBulletin and ForumRunner are different brands! We are making progress. Then...you ruin it. Also, he has not created "that consistent feel, that it's owned by the same [****][****][****][****]ing company." He is telling you that they are separate. Once again, you generalize saying to go to any one of the networked companies. First off, there is no such thing as a networked company. It is like telling Sony Movie Studios and Sony Music Studios handle the same thing. They don't. They won't recognize each other besides the fact that they are owned by Sony.

I am thinking you are missing the point of this network of brands as you keep changing these terms. vBulletin is a subsidiary. LOOK UP THE TERM SUBSIDIARY. ForumRunner is a SUBSIDIARY. They run separately, but they are owned by the same PARENT COMPANY. It is like Facebook and Instagram. They aren't the same teams that run each other. At the end of the day, I trust them all despite the fact I may not agree with the route they are going.

I am just making you look like an idiot here. They don't work with each other unless they need to fix an issue and they cooperate and that's about it.

Once again, you are generalizing. What companies dream to acquire products like vBulletin and ForumRunner? Name 1. Name 3. You can't. How can you develop something better that way? By merging a ton of services as one so it is a cluster [****][****][****][****]? Yeah...you don't know much about business, do you? You may have a small business, but do you truly understand economics? You really can't strengthen an application like ForumRunner when you stick with vBulletin as they provide other forum services INCLUDING XENFORO! *GASP* Your analogy sucks by the way. It has no refernece to anything about this.

Please do...you stick at explaining this so far with multiple arguments.

Preach that to the choir, Carlos.

Proof they competed with themselves? That sounds stupid if you ask me and proves you are wrong. They didn't just stop competing with themselves as they never competed in the first place. That would cost more money than required. Nothing is incorperated besides the fact that they are owned by the same parent company.

First of all, you can't quote something that doesn't exist. They never said that. No one said that. I have a game for you, Carlos. Go to Sony Pictures. They cover everything interactive: Movies, Photos, and Games/Apps. You can't find music on there because it doesn't exist. You have to go through the parent site. You also can't find their hardware division and other parts. You are telling me that Playstation went under? You are telling me that they are losing money from Playstation. You are telling me that they have two separate Playstation 3's? Are you on major drugs? If you are...please share.

I am pretty sure they are making money still. The economy took a hit, but they are still around and still recording profit. They invested money in blu-ray and it was a success. That has nothing to do with their music department nor their movie department. That is hardware. No one was bullshitting in Sony. Playstation 3 isn't tarnished. Their music division isn't taking a hit because of Blu-Ray. By the way "Sony Studios" doesn't exist. It is either Sony Music Entertainment or Sony Pictures.

They were once kings. They invented the walkman, but because they didn't upgrade with the times fast enough, the iPod came a long. Their tv's are considered top of the line. Yes, there are better tv's, but they are still considered top notch.

Sony Pictures is not what keeps Sony afloat. You need to stop lying. I can write long posts with no facts to support me and look smart too.

Fun fact: Playstation 1 didn't use DVD's. They were only a gaming console. Playstation 2 was the introduction by the HARDWARE DIVISION that the gaming console should become a multi-media console so they can get a bigger demographic.

No. I don't. You don't understand subsidiaries at all. You assume because the word Sony is infront of it, there is a building where everything is done and everyone works together on everything.

Joe was blunt on a forum that isn't vBulletin. Yes, he represents his company, but he is a normal person.

That is not true. That is like saying vBulletin is required to support every screw-up with plugins. No. They do not. It is third party. A subsidiary might as well be 3rd party.

There comes a time where if you are an [****][****][****][****][****][****][****] to a company, they can be an [****][****][****][****][****][****][****] back. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. They don't need to have your business if you continue slandering them. Constructively is good, but without facts and such...you look like an idiot.

What?

Does logic hurt your head that much? How hard is it for you to understand subsidiaries. Internet Brands does own vBulletin and ForumRunner. Yes. They can bundle it because they own it, yes. That doesn't mean they provide support for it as they don't create ForumRunner. The ForumRunner team creates and supports it. How hard is it to ask them for help? Bundling something doesn't mean they provide support. Do you realize if Adsense broke, you wouldn't go to vBulletin to fix it. If your third party plugin broke, you wouldn't go to vBulletin to fix it.

Let me make an analogy for you that YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. If you buy a car with Goodyear tires and they pop. It isn't Ford's fault because they put them on your car. It is Goodyear. If your sirius radio breaks, it is not Ford's fault, it is Sirius. Just because someone works at Ford, doesn't mean they do all the other stuff. If your Sony Playstation doesn't work, you can't go to Sony Pictures or Sony Music Entertainment DESPITE THE FACT IT IS SONY!

Are you sure? Do you truly understand that?

You are playing semantics here and in the wrong way. He is saying he doesn't know what users have what licenses. It could be a licnese that means he has his own app or the standard. You do treat them different depending on what they have. It isn't shitty. They have a mobile app and they have ForumRunner which works with multiple forums. Why complain? They like to have more than one product for the user.
ForumRunner is still a free app. Here is a REAL QUOTE: "Forum Runner is FREE for forum owners to install on your forums and get listed in our database! Your users can then either use the read-only version, or can purchase the full version for a one-time cost of $1.99. You will find that the Forum Runner app has more features and is cheaper than any competitor. We are constantly adding new features to the app daily and you can communicate directly with our engineers via our Support Forums." You are wrong sir about posting wherever he likes. That is like saying, I am going to your Call of Duty forums to talk about Halo just because you own both forums.
Now you change your argument because the ForumRunner forums lack activity. Maybe it is all the idiots posting on vBulletin expecting results. Just because the developers are on other forums doesn't justify you asking them on other sites. If Brandon was on a College Basketball forum, I am not going to ask him about my website on there. Stop changing your argument about the different apps and different products. More products means more choices. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THEM!

I hate to tell you, but you contradict yourself majorly. vBulletin =/= ForumRunner. Internet Brands = ForumRunner. Internet Brands = vBulletin. Your thinking method is the transitive property. If A = B and B = C, then must A = C. With that thinking, my favorite sports teams have won every championship. That doesn't always work. A square is ALWAYS a rectangle, but a rectangle ISN'T ALWAYS a square. Once again, subsidiary. Yes, they are owned by Internet Brands, but they are separate companies essentially. Virgin Mobile =/= Virgin Airlines =/= Virgin Music, but they all = Virgin

Your "big data" sites are quite small. Pretty sure WeFail buys sites over 100x bigger than your website and dealt with them. His forums were bought by Internet Brands, but THEY DON'T PROVIDE SUPPORT TO EITHER FORUMRUNNER OR vBULLETIN.
You then talk about your sites and how you have no money. That is economics 101 - know when to quit. You should read Seth Godin's post: Time to Quit. I wouldn't want you to represent anything. You need real facts. Shawn from DigitalPoint posted his impressions of XenForo with a big database and so did the developer from IGN. That is what people care about, not small hobby sites. At the end of the day, Forums are meant for businesses and to make money. Hobby sites are secondary.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. Insulting vBulletin when you don't use them anymore is stupid. WHAT DOES IT BOTHER YOU?

You had bad work ethic. They cared about their profit revanues. They didn't care for support as it didn't make them any money. vBulletin, you pay for support and you expect your money's worth. Once again, economics 101.

First off, you don't understand the word capital. Capital is the value of everything you have. That includes all the software, the host, and everything else that you own including yourself. That is worth more than a dollar. I mean, you can value yourself at less than a dollar and it makes sense since you can't do anything as you state here, but I think you are worth more than a dollar. You may not have any income or profit and this is all out of pocket. That would be stupid of you, but your company is your company. Imagine what they would say on the Shark Tank. Your company, if you did accounting right, is losing money each and every month by what you put in it.

This makes me laugh very hard. Productivity is all about how much you work on your site and how quick and efficient you are. Wordpress powers over 25% of websites in the world. I can guarantee many of them are Gaming sites. In fact, I know IGN use Wordpress. Wordpress has plenty of well-designed, well supported plugins that make posts look like a gaming magazine. It isn't hard to make a wordpress blog look like a magazine. You don't know what to look for and it is sad. Makes me think of old me before I learned how to Google.

Forums aren't easy to get away with when it comes to features. You just happen to have all the features you need. Forums are easy to install. Wordpress is easier. With any business, you have to work towards success. ANYTHING requires work. I don't believe in the forum world people have a lower expectation of what a community is, but rather a higher one because everyone works harder for people to get along and such. Both XenForo and vB4 or any forum software does that. You just needs to put in work. I can tell you that point shops and ranks don't make a forum. You really need to think outside of a box and visit some other websites.

The problem here is when people like you exaggerate issues that aren't quite issues out of hand, then people act in a mob mentality which doesn't have real thought. You have a long post and I don't doubt that many people didn't read it and assumed you were correct because you wrote something long that looks impressive. In fact, you told a bunch of falsities which you claimed were facts.
You can handle all the issues you want, but when Joe keeps giving answers and you keep telling him he is wrong...you will have a bad time.

 

Not to get involved in the arguing here, but I would like to say one thing. None of this would have happened if support over at the official Forum Runner site was any good. Or if they'd actually tested their services more and realised the download page wasn't working. Or trained the staff and told them that yes, the vBulletin 4.2 version was available. Even ignoring vBulletin.com for a minute, I think there are definitely problems there.

Hell, the complete inactivity of the official support forums is good evidence of that. I mean, you've got a product with 'forum' in the name, meant to help forums do well, yet your support forums are mostly abandoned, supported by exactly ONE staff member and are run like no one knows what the hell's going on with the product. Just look at it:

http://www.forumrunner.net/forum/

No one's online, no real activity for days, no real support team... kind of a poor showing all round here, even worse than at vBulletin.com.

 

Which is why I don't use their product I agree 100%.

 

What's your problem with me? I've never disrespected you, I've never treated you this way, I've never addressed you like this. I don't like sarcasm, and I especially don't like trolling. You show me attitude, I show you attitude. Clear?

I'm frustrated with IB, and has been since 2 years ago. Wait - you know what, try 4 years ago. Shortly right after IB acquired vB.

No. I don't think you understand the idea. IB and vB employees know better than not to treat customers like dirt. Especially as a corporation. It's bad anough, that "large corporations" and especially "conglomerates" has this stigma of arrogance, stigma of "I don't give a [****][****][****][****] about you, customer 1,000." But a newly public company? I'm sorry, I expect better from that kind of company.

Companies with "Inc" at the end usually don't have that stigma. I mean, not a lot of them do. Google is one of those great examples. A "homey," comfortable, freedom-loving company that doesn't really treat itself like a real corporation (ahem, corporate structure).

That's what you think. But the reality is, he's making excuses for IB.

Stop. Treat me the way you would like to be treated, and I'll treat you that way. I'm not stupid.

They can, and they should. I understand the concept of "subsidaries" which you cover pretty much the entire post.

In this example you're talking about segmental brands. In other words, each brand serves a purpose in a country, or a taste. They all do the same thing; manufacture cars. They all market the same thing: branded cars. Therefore, of course, they have to act differently, and they have to be independent of each other.

The case here, is one parent program (vBulletin), and a child program (ForumRunner) can be integrated. So, each product can go hand-in-hand with each other. The parent program can sell the child program much faster, and create a comfortable experience for the end customer/user.

You're doing it again, calling me stupid. I do understand acquisitions. Companies buy smaller companies to mitigate (in other words, to ease) costs of something. In this case, the whole point of buying ForumRunner was simple: They wanted to lower costs of developing mobile solutions. In vBulletin's case, it's that premium vBMobile Suite. And even if pointed out that you can use it on other blogs than vBulletin (which you're saying that I have no idea what it does), it further proves my point. Because by large, Internet Brands owns more blogs in their network of brands, that it's pretty much "collateral damage" to IB. Why? Because they can roll out ForumRunner across all of those blogs and save themselves thousands of dollars in mobile development for each site.

I even covered this subject later in the post. But hey, ignore it, man. You want to disrepect me, and discredit what I say? You're lucky you're not banned from my Halo forum, because when I do get capital. And I am working on it. I'm on the verge of getting my first investor.

When I do, that EverythingHalo site you registered to? It's going to become the #1 Halo forum on the internet. I will even compete directly with the largest Halo forum. Just like right now, I am planning ahead for CODForums by 2 years. By the time I am finished with this 2 year plan, CODForums will compete with the #1 Call of Duty forum.

In time, I will get better and better, and better every time. I've been doing this for 10 years, and I'm only getting stronger every year that passes.

Now, you're calling me idiot. Now, you flat out do it. From now on, I'm calling you names. You deserved it.

Chances are, you've never used PlayStation 3. Every single little piece of "software" inside that XMB was created by a Sony Studio:

Settings - VAIO division
Photos - VAIO division
Music - Sony Music division, that Qriocity/Sony Unlimited (which is now Sony Entertainment Network)
Movies - Blu-Ray committe (that includes DVD/Blu-Ray manufacturers that invested in Blu-Ray), Sony Films division, VAIO division
Browser - I'm not sure which one, but it's quite obvious it's the VAIO division
PlayStation Store (games/movies) - This is a combination of SCEx (Sony Computer Entertainment "x"), and SEN (Sony Entertainment Network)

And, yes, "networked companies" do exist. Have you noticed that 50% of gaming blogs are run by these "networked companies"? Probably not! Because people like you never paid attention to the little details of a website. Parent company owns x amount of websites and it says so in footer or the network bar.

Some of these networks are run by "sole proprietors." I'm using quotes because most of them don't make their it legal.

First of all, I understand SUBSIDIARIES. You [****][****][****][****]ing retard. Your FB/IG analogy is so bad, it goes right back to my original point: They do the same thing, yet serve a different purpose. Instagram is the Twitter for FB. Why do you think they locked out the "app" from outside social networks? Because it's theirs, it's one and the same with FB. It's even integrated into FB network-wide.

You know what? I look at you like a [****][****][****][****]ing retard. Bitch. I'm laughing at you because you just said exactly what I've been saying: "fix an issue and they cooperate" And the worst thing is, that's what this thread is all about. IB's own divisions/subsidiaries can't cooperate with each other, and try to solve each other's problems.

Companies buy smaller companies for the sake of easing costs. If something is too expensive to maintain, and facilitate on your own: YOU [****][****][****][****]ING ACQUIRE A SMALLER COMPANY TO LOWER THE PRICE OF DEVELOPMENT!

In the first place, vBMobile Suite was expensive to develop for. Now, they basically don't even charge for vBMobile Suite since the acquisition.

[****][****][****][****] you and your sarcastic remarks.

That tone don't sit well with me, man. No it doesn't. In fact, it makes me aggressive.

Why don't you ask Microsoft? Hm? Most of their divisions do compete with themselves. Just about 50% of tech companies do this. It's a standard. In fact, it's common knowledge.

Wow. You're really that gullible. Here. Kaboom. 'nuff said! That only took me 5 seconds.

Read my words: YES. At the release of PlayStation 3, there were at least 3 models (3 SKU's mind you), and on top of that, Sony shipped 2 re-models: The "PS3" (Rebranding), and then the Super Slim that just came out.

1. Yes, "PlayStation 3" was tarnished. That $600 piece of hardware that didn't sell well until MGS4 shipped? That.

2. Blu-Ray has nothing to do with Music, but the technology that came with Blu-Ray machines themselves were pretty much a "standard" technology done by a music division. The music division doesn't just make music, it does sound. It's that "grey" area a company does.

3. I know their music division didn't take a hit because of Blu-Ray, it did it on it's own. By not catching up, and catching with the times. Just like you said somewhere in this post.

By the way, when I said "Sony Studios" I meant the list below....

*Yawn* I know this.

*Laughs and points* I beg to differ, kiddo.

This is the list of studios Sony has just, just for Films/Blu-Ray....

Source: Wikipedia

At least, one of their movies has just eclipsed the #1 film in the world today. Skyfall is one of them.

Hey, moron. I know that. Hey, you want to troll? Go troll some other board. Trolling is for egotistical little bitches with nothing else to do. PlayStation and PlayStation 2 were designed by the hardware division at the time, yes. And if you remember, at the time, Sony was co-inventor of CD's with Phillips. However, on the flipcoin, DVD's were invented by a collection of "forum." Sony backed the technology.

With DVD's Sony had to pay royalties to this "forum" for every disc sold.

Sony doesn't really have to this with Blu-Ray.

I didn't assume. I know. I read all the time. I feed my head with information every day. Maybe one day, that irrelevant information may become a knowledge.

Yup, too bad it reflects bad on the company. Because your employees are pretty much your representatives. If you say something wrong, it can be used against you. Which is why I am mindful of what I say elsewhere. I.E. this thread.

You are confusing things even more. Being a third party requires you to be outside the company walls. Think 3rd party game developers/publishers.

LOL. They have been [****][****][****][****][****][****][****] to me as a customer, and as a company. Let them be the [****][****][****][****][****][****][****]. Mother [****][****][****][****]er!

Nothing!

My head hurts only because IB is just making things more complicated for the end user. They own both products, they should actively support it - no matter which side is giving the support. The end.

The other stuff is irrelevant because it's not the same situation as what we're seeing here. Your PlayStation doesn't work, you go to SCEA, yes, but this analogy doesn't work because the division doesn't go "hand-in-hand" with the brand/company in question. Whereas, ForumRunner goes hand-in-hand with vBulletin because it's supported-as-a-script. Not only is it owned by the same company, the company bundles and packages ForumRunner with vBulletin.

Yes, doofus, I do understand it. Yes, little boy, I do.

Some COD Forums allow this. So, naturally, I will allow it. So, [****][****][****][****] yeah, you can! I even did it on EverythingHalo a few years ago. It's an Xbox site, but I'm posting PS3 videos (it's a port of the same exact Xbox game).

I didn't change my statment, or stance... The lack of activity at ForumRunner doesn't help matters, at all. I'm pretty sure if I was the OP, I would have done the same thing, because honestly... forcing your users to post on the ForumRunner forums is the wrong way to go about it. What happens if I need to have ForumRunner app to work with my forum RIGHT NOW? Will I get my answer right away? Based on what the OP is "saying" the answer is no. A resouding, fat "NO!"

Spare me the lecture, and spare me that stupid little "pity" at the beginning of the paragraph. You're not sorry, you did this just to spite me. Mother [****][****][****][****]er!

Awe poor baby. You need an ego stroke? I never said my sites were 100x's bigger than WEFail. I'm modest, I admit his are larger than mine. But those sites can easily be transferred over a lot faster, based on what I've experienced, and what I've read.

You want to hurt me. *takes off shirt and points at heart* Right there, [****][****][****][****][****][****][****]. Right there, you little bitch. I believe in my company's success, and I am not going to give up, you piece of living shit!

They, as a company have treated me like dirt. And they continue to treat their customers like they're nothing... doesn't help matters, at all.

I had bad work ethic, you say? So, basically, what you're doing is assuming that I'm a bad worker? Is that what you're saying, doofus?

*Ahem* In other words..... ASSETS!

Ahahahaha.....Nope. Host is maintence. I've done my Corporate Taxes. Yeah, thanks for making yourself look really stupid.

Lololololol. Yeah, I can't do anything. Because investment is hard to come by these days, kiddo. Especially as a new startup. Experts recommend that you wait at least 2 years before actively raise funds. I'm on that verge already. Have been for 6 months now. 3 months ago, I begun ramping up that investor search. Just pushed the envelope last month, and I feel like I am close to my goal than I have 6 months ago. Timing is everything.

Take your sweet time researching, and I've been doing a lot of that since 2 years ago.

It's not stupid of me. I just don't have the right capital (ahem, money), to do it. Capital is another word for money, kid. Capital is the amount of money you raised.

Dictionary search:

That's two definitions there, you've covered one of them. I covered at least 2.

If there was a really good plugin that allowed me to insert game info/box art... And when there is, not a lot of sites use it. Mostly because it's not very well executed, or well-supported. If there was a perfect plugin for that, I would have launched my gaming "magazine" 4 years ago. I've been doing my research, dumbo.

IGN is a huge company, a huge organization that can pay developers to create plugins/code to accomplish what they want. In fact, IGN's wordpress site is a heavily modified wordpress installation. I'm not fretting, though because CouchGamers is in beta, and will be launched Q2 [according to the developers].

Take this from a guy who used to have aspirations to write about video games 20 years ago. That's a lot of passion. No? If no, "puuuto!"

You've never been to sites that I have. I have seen plain vBulletin 3 websites that gathers so many members that it makes a graphics-heavy website with low member rate look so bad in comparison. I've seen sites launch with minimal custom skin work, with minimal hacks installed on the forum. Those sites have communities with "lower expectation" of a forum.

So, I have this video to share with you. Don't forget to crank the volume up.


Proof so far:
Call of Duty 24/7
Black Ops 2 Forum (didn't start that way, tho)
Modern Warfare 4 Forum

And guess how much they were sold for? I already know them from the back of my head.

Keep the negativity going, man. Keep the hate, man. In fact, I implore you to keep spreading rumors that I did "falsify" things. I'm a very smart, intelligent person. Those that try to tarnish me end up losing. In fact, I've already killed 2 websites all on my own. I've already started to see signs of killing off my direct competitor with CODForums. The competitor forum is offline now.

 

Puh....and I thought I wrote long posts.....

Scott

 

Dang... that's all I can say about above.

I went to go check if I was unbanned, but the entire vBulletin.COM site has crashed now.

Man that's good software!

I purchased Xenforo yesterday I did the vb4 conversion, but I need to find one that converts everything. I see there is one for $125 but not sure I want to spend that yet, specially since I just want to play and see whats missing from Xenforo that I need for my site.

 

Carlos brought the pain. I love it bro. Good way to dumb it down for people who don't get it!

Nice work!

Liked the post

 

I am unbanned now. Although I am now listed as a New Member (even though I have been a member since 2003 and have a few hundred posts there...)

 

Use Paul M's vB4 converter, that converts just about everything. I'm not sure about vB4.2, but when I made my conversion, it was vB4[.1.4].

 

congrats

 

That's Carlos in the flesh.

Thanks!

 

My favorite is how their .com loads awfully.

IB has really messed things up.

 

It's pretty slow, but does seen to.be getting a _little_ faster. Maybe they can get the load times under 7 seconds by the end of summer.

 

Don't try doing a search on vb.com.

I have setup and converted Xen on a test server, and am now trying to also setup and convert vb5 and its not going so well.

I want my users to kick the tires of both so they can make the decision if we switch.

Where do I find Paul M's conversion script for vb? I used one (not sure who it was by) and it worked good, I am just missing the subscription expiration of my paid memberships. (I am hoping I do not have to pay $150 just to get those converted)

 

this one?
http://xenforo.com/community/threads/vbulletin-4-importer.5726/