Developers hard at work fixing bugs

A message to the VB support staff. When are you going to wake up and realize that Vb customers and members are not falling for the unmitigated crap you are trying to peddle.

The members here are not stupid and can easily see through the propaganda ( Lies), Bullshit and assorted crap that you are trying to scam us with.

Do you really think you are showing us how smart you are by deleting genuine comments and banning any who dare to post a different point of view?
Do you think we will idly stand by while you treat the members like inferiors and protect staff who actively support hackers and scammers.

It is blindingly obvious that we can post elsewhere about the arrogance and sheer stupidity of those VB support staff who abuse their mod buttons, Sorry but your censoring will not work.

Many sad people throughout the ages have sought to censor the public and all have failed, so will you.

 

The pot calling the kettle black.
It's obvious why you didn't received the memo.

 

It is stating the bleeding obvious to say that you seem to miss many things.

The members here are posting sensibly, yet you seem to be more interested in insulting members and trying to show off. It is clear who the troll is.

 

Many important IB memos where missed.
e.g. who won the addon contest (which was announced with vb4!!!)

*scnr*

 

It is funny you mention that, because the support staff, especially Lynne, had been asking about that, pushing for it and getting closer and closer to getting it done last year. I wonder why it never happened.

As for it not getting done, there are several takeaways, which speak against IB's management.

1. The certain leader who announced it going to happen, doesn't believe in or doesn't think it is important in keeping his own word. You could also say, trust isn't something he (or they) think needs to be between vB customers, the add-on developers and the business.
2. Things that don't generate direct revenue and even cost them money are shunned (they were planning prize money). Or, such activities are dropped for activities that do generate direct revenue. Like releasing a software too early and trying to sell it for something it really isn't.
3. A total lack of importance placed on the vB add-on developer community. A seriously, seriously bad decision. vBulletin was a platform with a whole industry behind it, before IB took over. The fact the industry was there, was also a huge selling point. That industry is now gone!

Sad, sad, sad. The missing contest is just another one of the results of other poor decisions and mistakes.

Scott

 

Ah yes, my bridge. Well last time I looked you were under it with all your useless clutter. Cyber-bullying and power tripping on decent trolls giving us a bad name. All you can do is hide behind your keyboard and type BS. You can't even answer a simple question you are so caught up in your pathology. Some friendly advise, you should really go back on your meds and talk to your therapist about this delusional world your living in. And stay away from your keyboard because you are just overloading your alligator mouth with your humming bird ass.
I'd put you on "ignore" but my trolling instincts would miss you abusing yourself and furthering others belief that you are useless to yourself, others and any thread you infect.

Obviously you didn't miss it, you are here.

Again with the nonsensical double talk. You say people actually want to talk about vB yet you attack those who do and make feeble attempts to discredit participation and shut down (censor) peoples contributions. If you aren't going to contribute anything then perhaps you should stay on the vB board where you can use your abuse of authority on customers. I suspect your time is limited there, I hear a pink slip is in the works for you.

 

WELL SAID!

Once the bean counters find out that V B is going downhill so badly, the upper management (who can do no wrong, sic ) will be looking for scapegoats. Paul, guess where they will be looking first to reduce costs and apportion blame.

Once they see so many current and EX customers complaining bitterly and quoting some of the VB support staff as the cause for their dissatisfaction, then it is not hard to see which way the wind will blow, and who will be looking for new employment.

Many times the members here have pointed out what you and the others are dong wrong, but unfortunately this advice has been ignored. "You sow a wind and reap a hurricane"

 

I wonder how many more employees will find themselves looking for new employment as the fortunes of VB decline?

 

http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/vbulletin-pangbourne-england-berkshire-c108095.html

AMAZING that the crap has been going on for so long. Look at these comments from back in 2009!

Nothing seems to have changed, do these morons ever learn?

 

In hindsight, while the premise of this thread is spurious, the entertainment value is nevertheless superb. Lets be honest here, Paul owned other trolls with the epic "Oh look, Developers having fun. Wow." I was laughing my ass of reading it and was laughing even harder at the rages caused by the statement. The only issue I have with him was when he called others for things that he himself excels superbly (pot calling the kettle black).

Returning back to the topic, as pointed out by djbaxter; the developers are really hard at work fixing bugs in vB5. This of course isn't a compliment towards IB, to the contrary - this is an incrementing evidence in showing that vB developers are really incompetent at best.

I have long suspect that the blame can't solely be assigned at the management alone but I have declined to make any comments so far since I'm not a developer nor is familiar with the field. Sure, there are one or two exceptional developers left but I doubt the rest of the developers has the same knowledge. I have read several comments regarding how poorly coded vB5 were and the continuous problem with thousands of bugs even until today seems to give large credence to the accusation.

If anything, no one can say with a straight face that 5.0.4 is out of Beta.

 

I disagree. Management hired the devs. Management also pays lower than industry standard wages. Management has released a beta version as "not-beta" way too early and thus Management has set the level of "acceptable quality" to be very, very low, which is, in the end, unacceptable for customers. Management couldn't tell a good product from a bad one, if it sat on their face, in order to make the right decisions to help lead the dev team to produce better quality.

In other words, whether or not the devs are incompetent or not has nothing to do with the situation vBulletin is in right now. It boils all down to leadership and management.

Scott

 

In another words; devs. produces low quality products (i.e. lack of conviction/motivation) because they are paid low wages?
Makes sense.

 

Maybe he's trying to say that the real coders won't work for IB and the result of this junior coders and semi-pros is the vB4 and vB5 quality

 

If so, doesn't that make them incompetent as I was originally assumed?

 

Yes, but the fact incompetence among the devs is even possible, if it is true, is a direct result of management directives.

Scott

 

No, it doesn't make them incompetent.

A dev team for such application needs to have the right balance.
There needs to be some junior devs (nobody was born as a coder, we all had to start somewhere ) and at least 1 pro/senior coder, who's responsible for the tech decisions, application architecture and who coordinates the tasks and helps the junior devs... (*)
And this guy is IMO missing for vBulletin.
ATM it feels like there's a big marketing section, collecting the webtrends and buzzwords, giving them to the management, which gives them to the devteam... (without knowing if it makes sense for vBulletin or if the clients even asked for this)

(*) e.g. NOBODY should be allowed to put such code and comment into the stable branch which will be delivered to the clients => http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/foru...e-helpless-coder-of-class-taggablecontent-pgp
That's something, what IMO should be solved in the team (e.g. while the live meetings/in the developer chat channels/ or code review sessions, but i don't think that they have such thing....

 

I thought they have position for lead developer and project manager?

 

Lead Developer: Kevin
Project Manager: Mr. X

And what are they doing?
With all due respect, never seen any useful post of him in the public area. I think we had 1,2 blogposts with him talking about reducing queries...... WTF
If the software would have been planned with this in mind, they wouldn't need to spend years! with reducing queries and rendering time...

And the project manager? the past 2 left with a bunch of empty promises
Who's representing the software?
Who's representing their visions (if they would have one.. ) I have also to say that vB5 have some great things, but nobody is talking about them...
Reason1: nobody knows that they exist
Reason2: the news get lost in the announcements
Reason3: vB doesn#t have a fancommunity anymore... nobody promotes their stuff, nobody talks about this anymore..



WHY are other companies able to deliver quality software (xf & ipb) and IPB is also able to official dev documents ( http://www.invisionpower.com/support/kb )?
I still remember the announcement on vb.com as they posted from the IB acquaring and that they've posted "now everything will get better... THE BIGGEST team ever is working on vB... I had sooo many hopes into the project)

WHY are OPEN SOURCE PROJECTS able to provide roadmaps, with a full changelist and DATES http://symfony.com/doc/current/contributing/community/releases.html but the guys, who get MONEY for their product from us aren't able to say "ANYTHING".
But that's not only a vB problem. You hear the same answer also from the xf guys..
(you hear only "you get what you paid for, no public feature list, no public roadmap, even not a simple, "yes, we'll include this in one of the next releases within the next 12 months/ no you'll not see this within the next 6 months... I'm sure that even such simple answer would help many users and addon developers...
They all make big secrets from their business and that's something, which makes me really very upset and which made my decision to leave the xenforo world and search for real alternatives much easier)

As you see, i'm not only a vB basher and hater, i hate them all

 

Is Kevin still the Lead?

 

on Fri 7th Jun '13, 7:11am he was it http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/foru...vbulletin-5-development?p=3974432#post3974432

and his profile also doesn't say anything else http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/member/214190-kevin-sours
his linkedIn profile http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-sours/0/420/57

AND i'm also sorry, it seems that i was wrong with that he's not posting on vb.com, i've found ~10 posts


i should stop stalking their profiles