24 hour Stand Down on all Passionate vB Topics?

Nick, I think your doing a bang up job. I also feel you are doing the best anyone can do. I am not in the habit of "jumping ship". I don't think your taking sides (not once have I mentioned this so I would say this situation or response you made is invalid.

Let's just get that straight. I'm not in the habit of one action or many actions being left unjustified by certain vbulletin solution employees who give false information. If I can catergorize them in a group it would be the group who steal because in essence they are stealing .

 

The only reason that thread was locked was as you can plainly see it was getting out of control. Debate, dissension and discussion are to fostered, but not when it resorts to personal attacks.

Tell me with a straight face that when the personal attacks started you would not have locked that type of thread on your own site.

 

Well I won't be jumping ship.

Perhaps, ironically, what's happening here proves that maybe, just maybe, some of the actions on vbulletin.com may have been justified....and I'll accept any and all flames for that remark!

 

Exactly. If it weren't for that back-and-forth bickering/attacking between FullMetalBabe and BamaStangGuy, that thread would be open.

If you guys want to continue to discuss in that thread, I will gladly remove the aforementioned attack-posts, and re-open the thread.

 

I would have temporary closed it. Pruned the (what you deemed offensive, rude) replies and re-opened it leaving a note that direct abusive behaviour to other members will not be tolerated.

Closing all communication is effectively closing dialogue and future communication between concerned members who are just hearing about the new licensing etc that visit vbulletin.com and come here.

 

Great minds think alike; see the post above yours.

 

Different management styles...

My philosophy is to leave the garbage standing as a warning to others that stumble upon it. If the debate wants to continue a new thread can be started.

 

Unfortunately, we seem to have members who are not able to do this. :shrug:

 

Sounds familiar. Personally, I don't care what actions you take or deemed to be appropriate at the time. Like I said, my posting style will never change and if you do not like you know where the admincp is.

What you have effectively did is made a bad situation worse. People will not change their concerns because you feel the way you manage a heated situation in a different manner cutting the flow of dialogue.

That said, duplicate threads in my books is inefficient.

 

That has been more than fair on your part. From what I could tell, those that engaged in the more personal comments of course were going to heave back.

FWIW, I approve of the removal of such comments on a thread(s) to retain it's intent. Editing for brevity and clarity should be the top priority in order for content to keep its merits to the discussion at hand.

 

Can't people just agree to disagree?

And can't we agree that we have different managing techniques? I for one don't bash my members or threaten them or try to steer them into one way of thinking, which happened to me yesterday, twice. I have never banned any member of my site, i don't lock threads, and i don't use the infraction system. Most of us are adults and most of us are adult enough to stand behind what we say and how we see things. I think the infraction system is childish, and was a horrible addition to vbulletin software, but that is just my own .02.....banning members is garbage in my opinion because people have bad days and need to vent..We may not agree with the venting technique, but most people calm down after being away from the discussion for a while and come back with a different thought aspect.
Now is the way i see things and handle things on my site right for anyone else, probably not. But i respect my members and my members thoughts. I do not get all sensitive because they are not happy with something, nor do i tongue lash them for continuing discussions in other threads.......

So back to my first question, "cant we just agree to disagree", we are all human and we will all see things differently. Nick, you my friend are an awesome admin and when all this blows over, other admins will be able to see how to run a site as a real admin. Not bashing anyone else, but nick is doing things exactly how i would handle it. (cept i would have never came up with the idea of another section for heated debates, that is awesome.)

 

By who? Me?

I try my best to avoid this, but sometimes it is necessary.

I try my best to avoid this as well, but the one last night was clearly a dire case. It was a mud-slinging fest between two members. It was closed for the night, but I re-opened it this morning after removing the bashful posts.

It's merely a way to keep things organized and keep a record. I never use the infraction system except when it is absolutely necessary. Users will receive several in-thread and via-PM warnings before an infraction (or infraction warning) is issued. No infraction comes unexpected, to be honest.

As a result, that's why I have a harsh infraction system set up. 1 infraction point = 1 day ban. This shouldn't be a big deal, because as I mentioned, no infraction is issued without expectation. If you get an infraction on my site, you should have known it was coming. Sometimes it takes a short ban to realize that what you are doing is wrong and inappropriate. Hopefully the banned will return with a clear conscience and improved posting etiquette.

The problem is that some people lack self-control and can't force themselves to stay away from the discussion for a while to calm down. Instead, they insist on making post after post after post in a matter of minutes, full of heat and disruption. The only way to handle this is to impose restrictions on their posting abilities. If warnings don't work, then what, other than a ban, will?

Where was I tongue lashing? Or anybody, for that matter?

 

Agree to disagree is a step forward but why don't we had a little reverse twist disagree to agree? Happy ending lol

 

No bro, you have been more then accepting to everything going on. Which i think you have done an awesome job. I don't want to use any names though because i don't want to bring ill feelings towards that person.

Another example of a job well done...........

absolutely.........hehehehehe

 

Funny, my thread has remained locked after a member insinuated I speak the evil tongue called nonsense. Maybe nick doesn't like me anymore? I thought the thread was productive.

When I say my thread I mean't "our" thread. I'm not greedy.

 

No ill will here, I called you out. I'd do it again if warranted.

 

Looks like gnatster means business. Have you got the admincp open?

 

Yes you did and it wasn't warranted. I posted to a reply that you posted......You got all buttsore about it. Not picking on you, but there was no need to act like you did. I felt what i had to say was important in that thread, you didn't....so be it.

 

I hope so because that is an example of being unprofessional......as others have stated, maybe he could have pm'd me about it, instead of trying to use his new found fame as a tool.

 

It was productive until your comment towards Paul. Anyways, I've removed the inappropriate posts and re-opened your thread too. Perhaps that should be the new policy - close it for a little while, then re-open it. :shrug:

For the record: It has nothing to do with me not liking you or anything of that nature (because such is not the case). My actions as a moderator and administrator are done without personal influences or bias. I don't make my decisions based on personal ties or friendships. Even the best of friends risk reprimand and thread closures.