Stop using Cloudflare, it's causing you lots of problems

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  1. GTB

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    Quite a few times when submitting posts or even editing and re-submitting them, it's taking ages for them to be
    listed, it's hanging! Just now I've been unable to access this forum for 5 minutes, being shown a cloudflare page instead. I used it myself before, then stopped doing so later because it's not that good a service really. Seems to be causing you one or two issues here I've noticed also.

    It's making posts hang for ages when scanning them for spam.
     
  2. AWS

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    I never activated here. Strange. I don't even have the domain setup there.

    The reason for the delay was a reboot of the mysql server to do an update.
     
  3. GTB

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    Well just then it was showing me a Cloudflare page each time, saying they don't have a cached version of the page to show. So something I'd say has to be running behind it?
     
  4. GTB

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    It's been the same with posts also when posting them at times, or editing them and re-submitting. Sometimes it just hangs there for ages and only doing a hard refresh shows the post was actually submitted. That's why I made that double post the other day because of it by mistake. It seems like the post is being checked and then doesn't load as submitted after due to a long delay.

    If you say you don't use it, then maybe your host itself is running behind it and all their hosting services with it? When I used it before, it was an option in cPanel you used to activate it, very easy to activate and deactivate, I didn't need to point my domain to cloudflare or anything manual like that. Maybe your host has a similar setup going on, who knows if your not using it yourself.
     
  5. Sunsettommy

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    I have not once seen it.
     
  6. GTB

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    Well, I have no doubt at all this site is running behind cloudflare. There's just no way you'd see a cloudflare page unless it's running behind it in some way or other. Simple as really, if it wasn't being used - you'd not see any service page being displayed from them!
     
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    I am not disputing what you say.Just trying to be helpful by helping to shed the light on this by saying that I have not seen it at all.

    It is weird that AWS says he does not have it set up.Maybe it is from the servers side?
     
  8. AWS

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    This site is on load balanced dedicated servers. Everything on it was installed by me before I shipped the boxes off to Texas. No cpanel, no hosting panel at all. Heck I'm not even sure if they have any that work on Windows 2008 r2 64bit which is the OS running on all servers.

    I have one site and one site only using CloudFlare and the only reason I use it is because I wanted to test it out. In order to use CloudFlare you have to set the DNS server to theirs. If you check the DNS for this site you'll see only mine. No hidden voodoo going on here. I have enough horsepower to run my sites and don't need to try and do it with smoke and mirrors.

    http://www.intodns.com/adminaddict.net

    As you can see no CloudFlare anywhere in my dns settings.
     
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  9. GTB

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    Well something sure doesn't add up Bob. I mean, your not stupid and neither am I. There would be absolutely no reason to see any CloudFlare "site is down" page shown by them what-so-ever, unless they are being used one way or another. Maybe your server host uses them in a way your totally unaware off? Try asking them would be my move.

    I should have taken a screen-shot to show as proof, I thought twice about doing so as it happens. But the bottom line, why the heck would I see a CloudFlare page then if not used? Common sense alone tells you they must be used somehow then. I'm just telling you what I saw, and that IS what I did see for 5 minutes here. Even you said the site was being worked on at the time carrying out a MYSQL update or something. So that adds up, that the site was down at the same time.

    Only thing I can think, maybe your host is running behind CloudFlare themselves to save on bandwidth cost (forcing all their customers to do the same thing). I said before when I used it, I didn't have to point my Domain Name DNS to CloudFlare. Simple case of clicking On|Off button, configured that way by the host itself - NameCheap. So it can be done without you having to point your own domain to them manually, if your host configures things in such a way to do it like NameCheap do. But it seems extreme any host would force it upon their customers in such a way without them having no choice in the matter to use it or not. :o

    I rest my case, I'm not arguing over it. I told you what I saw and it's up to you to make of that what you will? Doesn't matter to me either way.
     
  10. AWS

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    As I said my host doesn't have anything to do with my servers. I built them, I shipped them to Dallas, then Softlayer put them in the server room that I pay to rent.

    They have no control over my DNS, they have no control over my servers. If something breaks I have to ship them the parts or pay a very high price for them to replace. All they supply me with is the backbone to the internet and a climate controlled environment for my servers.

    I do have Cloudflare running on one site http://macminiforum.com and that was only setup to test out. I use my own caching on my own servers connected to my own router.

    You were on a shared host at Namecheap so they could pretty much do anything they want since they also control the DNS. I control my own DNS. I don't use anything from Softlayer except for the IP's I rent from them. Those are in my DNS and I have full control over them.

    This explains why you need to change nameservers:

    http://www.cloudflar...to_change_it%3F

    So if you don't see Cloudflare nameservers in DNS then they the site is not using it. The only way Softlayer could use something like this is if they gave DNS control over to Cloudflare and even if they did I don't use Softlayer DNS so it wouldn't effect me either way.

    Can't explain what happened. I can say for certain that this site nor does Softlayer use CloudFlare.
     
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  11. GTB

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    Fair enough, no idea then? I only posted it in the first place because posts we're hanging when submitting them a lot. So put 2-2 together after seeing that CloudFlare page and thought that must be the issues at hand here, they was effecting the site due to you using them.
     
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    Same here, nothing from CloudFlare.
     

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