PageRank

I wanted to ask you guys if you know why my website www.tilersforums.co.uk has zero pagerank but loads of backlinks. It's been online since 2006 and we had PR3 in 2006. Since then it's gone down and down and down to Zero. Yet we rank for everything we want to rank for and then some.

I've used Zoints thread tags before vb had it, and their system got me spammed like hell and I removed it as I thought it was a bit dodgy.

I've also used some link building thing but that seemed to also send me the wrong traffic.

I'm thinking it was somethng to do with those, but I'm wondering if any of you people that are more skilled than me can use one of your cool tools or whatever to find something obvious?

I know a few of you will want to reply with 'PR doesn't matter, keep at it' but I do want at least 1 lol - which will tell me I'm okay with Google.

I'm using the webmaster tools and do have issues with my sitemap from time to time but google isn't reporting anything in there to me about any other errors.

Just wondered. I think I may have asked this already in the main forums but I thought you regulars are the ones I need to ask really.

 

You're behind on your gearch count btw.

But there are lots of factors that go into page rank so its hard to tell. However, if you got a ton of backlinks from sites that aren't related, expect these to have no effect what-so-ever. If you've linked to sites that are spam/phising knowningly or unknowningly expect that to have a huge negative impact.

However the main thing is your traffic from search engines (Google in particular). Has it remained the same, gained, or lost since you've experienced this PR problem. The thing with PR is that no one really knows what your true PR is except for once every 3 months or so, and even by then its out dated. PR is more of a marketing/link selling metric, Watch the major factors such as Traffic, SERP position, and pages indexed. If those three start to drop rapidly, then its time to do a complete SEO site analysis and find out what exactly is going on.

 

I'll update the Gearch fella. Thanks.

As for the traffic, SERPs and indexed pages, they're always going up. So that's that sorted. But it still baffles me. I can get a new website PR1 within 6 months, and then often PR3 within 12. But from then on they almost always seem to loose PR. Often I've done nothing to them since their 1st birthday as they've not worked and I've given up. But the indexed pages, SERPs and traffic would stay the same, along with the backlinks.

As for tilersforums BLs, they're mostly related. All tile, and tile is quite a niche, so I'm hoping Google's worked that out.

I have a really funny fealing that it's competitors reporting the sites or something. But google isn't removing them fully as it gets them (and me) a lot of monthly dosh.

I read somewhere that Google will strip you of PR for all sorts of reasons (not always stuff in my control, so perhaps somebody is linking to me using a brand name, and the brand name owner (or competitor who's linked using the brand name) has reported me) - would that cause some PR stripage?

 

No Google doesn't penalize for who is linking in to you. The only way to get a Google penalty is for you to personally do something.

Try these changes:

1. Validate your site the best you can: [Invalid] Markup Validation of http://www.tilersforums.co.uk/ - W3C Markup Validator 131 errors is a lot and can confuse the search engine spiders

your CSS is in decent shape and can be fixed in a few minutes: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/...rofile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en

2. Shorten the amount of keywords in your meta keywords field. Google is pretty smart with this stuff, so having duplicate words and simply adding an "s" to the end doesn't help much. Also each , is a seperator so when you say "forum, forums" it says your site should be about forum/forums, Which it isn't, your site is about tiling.

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Tile Forums, Tiling Forum, Tile Advice, Tile Community, Tiling Courses, Tile, Tilers, Tiling, Tiles, Tile, Tools, UK, Tile Advice, Tiling Tools, Tilers Forums

3. Create a better meta description try something like

Code:

Tilers Forums are dedicated to those who tile. Get free tile advice from the best tilers in the UK at the biggest tilers forum. More information on Tiles at our Tilers Forum

4. I didn't see any google meta tags confirming you own the site so perhaps you've used their upload method. If you haven't confirmed your ownership of the site sign up for Google Webmaster Tools (completely free) and do the following

• Create and submit a sitemap - Scour vBulletin.org for sitemap generator
• Wait for it to update your backlinks it'll take about a month then go check the quality of these sites.

5. Your analytics code is loading twice on your pages

Code:

<script type="text/javascript"><!--
var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www.");
document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E"));
//-->
</script>
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-2745099-1");
pageTracker._initData();

pageTracker._trackPageview();
//-->
</script>

I'd imagine you have a mod that inserts it, and manually inserted it in your footer template perhaps.

6. There seems to be a lot of javascript in the page. Try to move these to external javascript files, and call them from the external script rather than having them on the page. You'll notice improvements to page loading times as well.

7. your load times are through the roof.

Code:

14.4K      295.16 seconds
28.8K     154.18 seconds
33.6K     134.04 seconds
56K     85.70 seconds
ISDN 128K     35.40 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps     15.13 seconds

66 total objects for this page, means it will take any connection a mimimum of 13.5+ seconds to render the page due to normal internet lag.


Overall, You'll find if you simply clean the coding up bring it up to modern standards you'll find that not only will your PR increase but also your natural SERPs and rankings.

 

Thanks you so much BSMedia. I'll go through that when I'm more sober and make the changes. Though I have used webmaster tools (and do very often) to claim ownership and use the vbseo sitemap thing etc.

As for the design, css and javascript. I guess that's what I need investment for! lol Though I'll have a go fella.

Thanks once again. That's REAL help on a REAL forum.