I'm getting close to losing all faith in vbulletin

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The sky is blue
The grass is green
VB 4 is beta software

Somewhere in there, people actually believed:

The sky was green
The grass was blue
VB 4 was a finished product

Take a look at wordpress, how long has it been around? Its taken several years for wordpress to develop into what it is today. No company is going to reinvent a forum and content management system in the amount of time that internet brands has tried to do it.

Lets use some common sense here people.

No company is going to go from <insert fingers into ears,,,, la, la, la, la, we are ignoring our customers>, to having a finished product in a matter of weeks or even months.

Just about everything points towards an end of quarter marketing push. Either to justify some kind of christmas bonus, or something else. Internet brands bought vbulletin, pushed out an unfinished product with a huge marketing push. The question is why? I'am going to guess it was for someone to stand up in front of the stock holders and say "we made this much money last quarter."

 

No need to tell us to use common sense, kevin. This is information that we all know.
Unfortunately, IB has tried to convince its customers otherwise.
THEY are the ones who need to use some common sense.

 

Who, Internet Brands, their customers, or both?

 

IB
iNet
Internet Brands
Dark Lord Killer of vBulletin

ps.. I've added 2 of the links mentioned to the first post

 

inet does not pay dividends to us shareholders. A lot of inet shares are owned by the venture capitalist: Idealab. I constantly see them pouring in shares. The last one was not that long ago, they purchased 650000 common stock, at $7.75 each. In fact, most stock transactions are from Idealab.

 

I think IB knows exactly what they are doing and are pulling it off exactly as planned

 

This would not surprise me at all.

 

I didn't loose faith because I knew this was coming over a year ago.

They never got a penny out of me, nobody forces me to buy something that I cannot test before hand if history is anything to go by then expect to be disappointed. :lol:

 

I am fairly happy with vB4. I only use the forums though. I do not use their CMS I use my own custom one.

The forums its self is not bad.

 

Looking on the bright side though for once, I really do love vBuleltin 3.7. So it's not all bad.

 

I'd dispute even that. It's riddled with bugs. Maybe some people run sites where it doesn't matter if it's full of bugs. For many that is not the case. As Spinball has said, for many it is a matter of affecting their ability to earn a living. For others like myself it's a matter of high standards and pride in the site we present to the public.

I will not run vBulletin 4 on my live site until such a time as they bring it up to to the standard of earlier releases. That is looking increasingly unlikely.

I would now go as far as to say that I won't even install any further updates to 3.8.4. The company's idea of what constitutes stable code is far from my own and thus I'm going no further with ANY vBulletin releases at this time.

 

Absolutely. You've been quietly pointing this out for a while, but I reckon people just don't want to hear you. Maybe it's too hard for most people to accept? I don't know.

How long will it be until the admins with one or two vB licenses start to understand why their questions are not being answered and their issues are not being addressed? It is quite plain (and has been for quite some time) IB has a new business model and the onesie/twosie license holders are not part of it.

 

I've started maintaining my own vBulletin 3.8.4 branch.

Since my 3.x License expired, I can't get to 3.8.5 whenever its released anyway, so I'm just going through and fixing the bugs myself.

I'm also going to rewrite a lot of the features. Starting with Reputation... Reputations will allow for multiple content types (Posts, Social Group Posts, Picture Comments, VM's, Blog Entries, Blog Comments).

I'd let people who are currently running 3.8 in on it, but alas, that'd be illegal considering it still is technically vBulletin (unless I provided manual application instructions... which would be one massive set of instructions).

 

You must have missed it then Ryan. A few weeks ago there was an annoucement posted on vBulletin.org about all the patch releases, that had a link posted at the end of it, which if clicked lead you to a page on vBulletin.com that let you download them all (even with an expired license). Looks like IB messed-up the permissions again at the time somehow. Silly billys! :doh:

They fixed it since now though. :shrug:

 

Those are the Patch Level releases, I'm assuming.

I'm talking about full releases which I no longer have access too as per my license agreement.

 

Yes, I was just talking about the small Patch releases only. Not the full updated download packages.

 

Ryan, I'd say for some people the lengthy instructions wouldn't be an issue. Might be worth bearing that in mind. Especially thinking of those of us who were experienced at modiying boards *before* the product system came in.

Used to drive me potty, but actually, it's how I learned what php I do know.

 

yeah, dat wat he said man!!!

Dang Ryan, that is alot of effort on your part for the extras. Call it, v.3.8.Ryan? :devil:

 

Mark - If your talking about vBulletin posting how to manually patch your board yourself with code changing instructions. That wouldn't happen I'd of thought, simply because the patches are tied into you keeping your license updated to get them.

If they started to post how to do it manually, people would just copy and paste those instructions onto other sites for people to use to update there own sites that might run illegal version of vBulletin, or people with expired vB licence's.