Kier designing his own forum software?

Not for all. See post #124:

 

Agreed.

I haven't switched any of my established forums to vB4 either though. I'm trying to do what is in the long term best interest of my communities and my members. And as much as I hate to fork over dough to buy vB4, if there comes a time when that's what I have to do, because I feel it's what's best for my communities, then that's what I'll do.

I guess right now, what I'm hoping will happen, is that circumstances will change and what will be in my communities long term best interest, will be moving to something other then vB4.

 

No, he wouldn't. He's been very clever, as he hasn't confirmed, nor denied it, his presence in this thread just means someone linked him, doesn't mean i's going to spill any secrets he's working on, and I bet he's regretting that tweet now.

Got a link?

 

Well I for one didn't say that - I said I'd purchase it immediately to show solidarity with the project and then I'd worry about the implementation later. It could conceivably take years to get to the point where I'd feel able to upgrade, but I'd nonetheless by a license in the meantime so I could play around and test it.

 

Would you care to place a wager?

 

Nah, I don't think he is. I have a feeling he wants us to know that something is eminent, but he won't say what until it's ready. Kier is fun.

 

Yep.

He's got people thinking and talking - and perhaps waiting on moving to vB4 as well.

Mission accomplished, I would guess.

 

Mark, it seems like you've had a change of heart of vB4 and you're souring on it.

Something change?

 

Only in as much as they have released a product that is not ready, it's full of bugs and no way can it be rolled out onto any site that values professionalism and usability.

I'd be lynched by my members if I foisted that on them.

No problem with the feature set, the direction or the look and style, but I object to a late beta being rolled out as Gold, and that's what we've got.

I'm still hopeful they'll sort it and then I'll upgrade, but no matter how good it gets I would still go with a solution by Kier if it was possible.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

I like vB 3.8 and would be happy to continue to use it but eventually I'll have to move from it.

When the time comes, I'd prefer not to give IB any more of my money.

 

I'm just reading about this for the first time now, but I'm incredibly excited by the idea of Kier designing his own forum software. I'd be one of the people who bought it instantly.

But even if he doesn't do it, I really hope that some other company comes up with something. I had/have two forums that both run vB3. I switched one of them over to IPB 3 for a few months; it has some nice features but overall I didn't like it as much so I switched back. Upgraded one of my vB licenses to the suite, and tried it on a test board, but didn't like that either.

For now I'm just keeping both forums on vB 3.8, because in my opinion it's still the best forum software available. But I wish there was some other option. I don't like knowing that my forum software will never be updated, and that I'll someday have to move to something else.

 

Dunno why everyone thinks Kier is all that. I have nothing against the guy and maybe he's a top coder, but what I do know is that vBulletin has been stagnant for five years and some upheaval was obviously needed.

 

Some upheaval... vBulletin is in worse shape than it ever was when Kier was Chief Dev.
At least he made sure the forum displayed the same in all browsers.

 

Now if you're talking the rounded corners aspect, I support them on this. In fact, I implemented the same thing on my 3.8 site. On my site, Firefox/Safari/Chrome (and now Opera 10.5!) users get rounded corners, IE and Opera 10 or less get squared corners.

IPB is the same. (Except the Opera 10.5 bit)

Although for the Gold release of vB4, a lot of the rounded corners actually vanished, inexplicably.

If it's the IE6 issues then yes I agree with you.

 

It's all of it.
Although I have to say that the rounded corners really irk me. Without them the standard style just looks soooooooooooo crappy.
At least the corners added a little something (however small). IPBs standard style just looks miles better than vBulletin's.

And yes, I know, we can all style it ourselves...

But seriously... I'm not even gonna start on the IE6 issue (as much as I hate that damned thing). If you're gonna have rounded corners, have them AT LEAST in the major browsers. I'm sorry but the IE browser family is by far the most relevant and popular. Again: as much as I hate it.
You can't just disadvantage them like that. Even if rounded corners might be considered less than absolutely critical.
I just can't see the old vB crew make that kind of mistake.

 

You are so right on Gordie.

There is no way that this could possibly come out, at first, with all of the bells 'n' whistles that vB and IPB have now. It would almost have to be released as a bare bones forum script.

But therein lies the beauty of getting in on the ground floor. You have a say in what is added, what is not added (at first), and you're not one in a million, you're one in 200 or 300 (hopefully).

I, too, think that this is an awesome opportunity for Kier & company to start with a clean slate and make something awesome of it.

 

Now that sounds very appealing

 

My way of thought also. I've said before that vBulletin had come to a "stop still" before Internet Brands took over the show. While IB might not be doing a great job so far with vBulletin 4, at least they are moving forward fast and adding new products like the CMS, which is a hell of a lot more than can be said beforehand. How did we wait for a CMs beforehand?

Has anybody ever stopped and wondered, had IB not bought vBulletin. What exactly would have happened since?

 

You lose.

Exactly. :yes:

 

Honestly, I think they would have progressed just as well, but with time. The original development team was smaller, and therefore slower both with ideas and implementation, when compared to IB's massive development team. But looking at things now, look what was given up in exchange for a larger team? Quality. I'd rather stick with the small, slower, high-quality team than IB's huge and fast team that produces low-quality work. Their work is lower quality probably not because they aren't talented, but due to poor management and demands by the stockholders and higher-ups.

vBulletin would have caught up; it just would have taken longer.