Ray Morgan retires?

Eh, Sad to see him go, it just means someone bigger, badder and meaner will replace him, at least ray appeared to care for the brands customers.

 

Not only did I mark your words, but also the date and time. I couldn't agree with you more.

@Shelley - I love 'em, too!

 

The member in question was banned for what he said on vb.com, not here.

As I recall, it was their decision to leave. No one was kicked out.

 

Perhaps you are right.

No one was kicked out, but certainly past employees felt that the enviroment was no longer hospitable. By their own words this is in fact true.

Regardless, Ray's in the unfortunate spot of having been at the position of leadership during a very rough time in Vbulletin's history. I think you can at least agree with that point.

His legacy as a product manager have been influecned by the turnover, the delays, the current product itself. Whether or not he is deserving is not the question. I belive he's not at fault for every bad outcome since his arrival, only that he is a part of those outcomes regardless of whether those outcomes were forced upon him.

Stilll though, I wish him greater luck in his next venture.

 

This.


Mark John's words, folks. vBulletin will be like this. And most commercial enterprises won't put up with their crap either.

 

Only some of them decided it was no longer hospitable. As often happens in takeovers.

IMO a number of bad choices have been made by IB, whether these were by Ray or his bosses only they know. Equally, I think a number of good choices have been made - but of course, human nature means the bad ones tend to get remembered more.

I hope for his (and his familys) sake that House 2.0 has a much shorter Alpha / Beta / RC / Gold cycle

 

So the chatter here confirms the rumor is true... Brandon... great comment. Here is a list the important some of the steps getting there.

1) Put gun to licenseholders' heads.
2) Collect record setting revenues
3) Collect your bonus for said revenues
4) Leave well before your first big project even completes beta
5) Take your bonus and get out of the country

It really instills confidence in me knowing that the #2 man in the new vBulletin lineup has taken the money and run like a bandit. So much for caring about building a better product.

And now the attention can turn to Bob Brisco... He will appoint the new innocent, the "good cop" who asks everyone to forget the anger against the company since he isn't responsible and really cares about making vBulletin the greatest forum software every. Hurrah!!!!

Whatever. I appreciate all of you my fellow vBulletin licenseholders.

 

I know, thanks
I figured there was more to the story

Does anyone know how long Ray had been with iNet?

 

Ray Morgan - LinkedIn

Looks like it was a year.

Here's whats funnier. He leaves vBulletin half done to build his home in Central America which is half done. Now here is the real question... which one will get done first and which one will be a TRUE release candidate, suitable for use?

 

So do we finally get to find out how long v4 will be supported now? Regardless of the v5 release cycle timing?

 

You must be joking. Have you been following anything the last few months? Internet Brands will never commit to anything because doing so will force it to honor something. They can't even commit to having it's #1 guy at vBulletin Solutions stay long enough to get this terminal vB4 out of beta... and you're wondering about vB5?

vB4 will be released at the end of December, even if it has more bugs than a tropical island after rainfall. The next 6-9 months will be moving towards basic stability for 6 months where a true "RC" would have been, perhaps adding in or enhancing some of the basic features. Last quarter of 2010, expect a presale for vBulletin 5 aka vBulletin 4.5.

If you don't think my schedule is on target, go ask Ray Morgan before he officially dumps, err, leaves the project on some other people in two days.

 

I was under the impression, based on how passionately Ray was posting, that the 'don't tell them how long v_ will be supported' could have been Ray's idea.

And live in hope that there is more of a possibility that they could come up with a more reasonable policy with him gone.

Obviously this is a concern for many people, at least I am concerned.

 

IB is a public company and many other people warned the members here. Ray is just a guy who very likely earns a bonus and helps the CEO earn an even bigger bonus for "record sales." Thanks to all the giddy kiddies who couldn't wait to upgrade to vb 4 and defend IB and drill "the haters", Ray is possibly using your money to build his villa in Central America and doing it "full time."

Remember that Bob Brisco stated in his blog that the insane pricing for anyone just looking to upgrade their forums was intentional - designed to move everyone to the vBulletin Suite. I have no doubt he received a bonus for all that revenue. So do you think that any of this spin policy will change?

Anyways, you have your answer. I don't care to write any more of this negative talk. It depresses me which is why some of us have stopped the passion for moments. But no, we have not forgotten. I've got several copies of vBulletin 3.7 with brand free license that cannot be upgraded because IB refuses to allow us to move to 3.8 as we were told when we bought vBulletin 3.

 

Nope.

That answer will not come any time soon, but it may at some point.

 

Best to simply assume the worst, no?

 

Nope. Never to assume neither the worst or the best. Best to not assume at all. If a person assumes it will lead to believing what might not be true, better yet, believing what have not been said. It's foolish. No matter what they're doing now, does not predict how they will do in the future, you can just assume, but what good will that bring? More worries? Since when worrying was good?

 

Your assumption will not affect IB's decision.

Just sayin'.

 

And yours will?

Just sayin'.

 

Oy vey.

 

Assuming the worse will get you nowhere. This implies that you hoped for the best for something good to happen and are stuck in limbo in what to do when this worst case scenario happens. I would have said, prepare for the worst case scenario and ensure that any future occurrences don't come as a surprise.