vBulletin 4 coding quality?

Ryan's explanation, coming from someone with expertise in coding far greater than my own, says a lot for how we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

vBulletin are going to be pretty much damned now no matter what they do, and I'll admit a lot of that is probably of their own making, however I still maintain what I've maintained since my "conversion" some weeks back - the vB4 release is going to be better than many people expected.

I know that there are still issues. But the CMS has exceeded many people's expectations and from reading what Ryan said, the "100 queries" thing is a bit of a non-issue really.

I'm not sure why the vB developers couldn't have explained it like that to put people's minds at rest.

 

My only concern on having 100 queries would be if say 10 people logged on at the same time or more.....wouldn't that seriously draw down on your server? This is just a curiosity question more then anything vb related. And as long as everyone was already on line the initial increase would soon decrease and lower your server load? All i follow on my website is server loads.

 

Properly optimized your MySQL Server should be capable of running up to 20,000 queries a second.

 

schweet, i didn't know that.........thanks a bunch

 

That's good to know. 100 queries sounds like a bad thing, but not when you put it into perspective like that.

Thanks!

 

This is very unlikely to happen. The odds of 10 or more people accessing one site at the same exact time (we're talking down to the second, or even millisecond) is highly unlikely, even for a site that has thousands of visitors per day.

IbxAnders blog at vBulletin.com explains this better than I could ever possibly try too.

Part 1 vB4mance: Helping communities grow, performance data model changes in vB 4.0 - Blogs - vBulletin Community Forum

 

Come on Wayne, that's a pretty lame excuse to give for 100 queries don't you think? Sorry, I'm not trying to sound harsh towards you hear. But to read this news that it's throwing out 100 queries is very bad news indeed. And it pretty much rules out any shared host using it for starters. 100 queries, oh my god!

So your saying we should all rent a dedicated host and have the MySQL fully optimized to be able to run this new vBulletin 4 CMS. Hum!!!

 

Wow, so we have uncached templates as well, it just gets better and better doesn't it.

 

Most developers can't actually articulate stuff like this without making it sound technical. It's a bit of a problem we have.

Luckily for me, I've had three years experience as Technical Support for MyBB, before joining ImperialBB.

Amazing... simply amazing.

Must you find every tiny little thing to complain about?

I used to have respect for you, mrgtb, but the last few months have determined otherwise.

Yes, there are uncached templates now. But I'm 100% positive that when Gold comes around, every single one will be cached.

 

IT'S A BETA AND THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED IT YET!!!! They know about the templates and have said they will get to it. Some of it is that you, the admin, can define your own templates for the widgets and they need to write to code to automatically cache them. They haven't implemented it yet.

I swear to God, some of you just want to bash vb and will take any little thing said and blow it out of proportion. Forget I said anything. I didn't realize I was just gonna give you guys more ammunition for your little crusade.

 

Lynne, I for one appreciate your input.

I'm certainly not on a crusade, your input together with other comments on the chat yesterday help me understand the situation.

 

Had vb been more professional about the changes forthcoming we would be on a crusade. Was the leaked information a little thing? Seems to me that everything in it turned out to be true, word for word. Is forcing people to buy software they don't want a little thing? I feel it's a big thing, as i have stated before, i don't want the cms, just the software i paid for vbulletin forum software and blogs...The company you defend is very unprofessional and will hopefully get theirs in the end. Or they can do the adult thing and address their customers concerns, instead of just banning those that are asking the hard questions.

 

And this has *what* to do with the original topic? This is why I was so f*cking glad you guys were banned from vb.com. You guys would come into any topic and start going on and on about how IB did you wrong. The sad thing is, a lot of us probably agreed with you. But I have no sympathy whatsoever for you guys now because you are all just big whining babies with no manners. It's really too bad you are being allowed to turn AA into your new whining ground. You can't even keep your whining posts about Big Bad IB in your own forum now. You have to come into every other post and start going on about them too. It's one thing if you actually come make a good comeback to my post and stay on topic ("But Lynne, the number of queries is important to me because...... And the fact that the templates aren't cached yet really concerns me because......"), but no, just more of the same "IB wronged me and they are the bad guys and I have a RIGHT dammit to complain and bitch and whine in any thread I want to here on AA cuz I haven't been banned from here yet."

Well, have fun. You guys are really doing a good job at ruining a good site for the rest of us.

 

Lets keep this thread on topic please. There are plenty of other places one can vent their frustration about the vB Solutions issue.

From here on out any posts that do not deal with the code quality of vB4 in this thread will be removed.

Thanks

 

My only hope is that the CMS runs efficiently on shared hosting packages. I've had no issues running vBAdvanced, so I'm hoping it has a similar footprint. As long as it does, it will be a moot point.

 

I'm no expert but I certainly would not call vBadvanced a CMS...it's just a simple portal...right?

ergo, apples and peaches!!

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I've gone ahead and deleted the posts.