The vBulletin Bashing-

Ooh, I get to use my favorite forum button! J/K :p

Will do, Nick.

 

And it was me. I changed my sig for respect of members here. I still have allot of kind words for those guy's, but i am trying to keep them to my self.

 

Actually the fine line can be clear at times if you follow the basic principles of

1. be respectful of others opinions even if they differ from your own
2. keep complaints to facts only and leave all negative emotions, theories and assumptions aside
3. keep complaints and statements directed towards the subject matter and not individual persons/parties to the conflict

 

Yeah i can understand your feelings and agree if name calling was happening it should NOT be. I guess my 3 principles above apply to both parties concerned

My opinion is an insult is only an insult if you take it to heart and acknowledge it as one. Honestly, if someone started calling me names on forums, i'd just ignore it and not take it to heart and continue with my stance/point i want to convey. I'd of course point out to the name caller in a calm manner that what they did was inappropriate and unprofessional and should apologise. If from the get go a person conveyed (either complainer or vb staff) their complaints and/or statements in a calm manner sticking to only facts, then it probably won't escalate to the point of name calling/personal attacks on both sides.

Guess what i'm saying is that fine line can be crossed by both parties to the conflict and that for best outcome, I'd ensure my end doesn't contribute to escalating the problem at least.

Yes an ideal outcome but not everyone is the same heh

 

Trust me, i can ignore the best insults and name calling, after all i am kind of an ass. But when it came from staff and was accompanied by a punishment, i took it personal. Not one time after wayne called me names, did i try to make him look bad at vbulletin.com, i tried to think to myself that he was probably having a bad day....

 

Yup, he seems to be good at that. Behind closed doors. Sneaky.

 

Well us men are sneaky around women. Though, I know hotwheels is a man, and not a woman. I'm just trying to cheer this thread up and make Nick laugh at the jokes.

 

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This can be a personal standard, even if a forum chooses not to moderate to this strictly.

I might allow for some latitude on theories and assumptions as those are good discussion material, as long as they are not being used to attack but rather to further intelligent consideration. And I personally love well-thought-out theories.

Reading some other threads I think some posters have forgotten that they have no entitlement to be defiant toward forum management and forum rules. Anyone insisting on this attitude is showing that this is not the forum for them, it is time to move on. AA does allow broad latitude in opinions and self-expression. But a member using this to try to bully and manipulate staff into allowing pointless raging and bashing isn't something the staff has to tolerate.

Some posters may be hoping to be ejected, rather than leaving on their own. I don't know this, pure speculation, no names in mind, just based on some of what I've read and my own experience. My opinion - if a member is defiantly repeating behaviors they've been warned about, easier for the staff to get the boot over with quickly. The overall reputation of the forum will be the standard reasonable people judge by, not the drama stories.

I would like very much to be able to discuss rationally and un-emotionally the steps vB and IB are taking that are affecting me as a customer. Passionate Discussion material, discussed reasonably. I would like to look ahead; I would like to hear from others their understanding of what we'll have to put up with and what we can expect, considering that perfection isn't an option. Where the software product is of a quality that makes it all worth it; how the software & the experience compares with what other imperfect companies have done and offer.

But right now I don't think that discussion can take place on AA without being dragged into another bash-fest that helps nothing. Unfortunately even those not interested in bashing end up rewarding the bashing with answers. We have not yet quite learned to ignore it.

 

What?

 

So agree on this right now.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I guess I'm a foolish idealist in this case. I had to dig through the muck of the initial posts about vBulletin across multiple forums as I tried to figure out whether I needed to move or stick with it. With me becoming more involved in these posts, I'm trying to help others make that decision and work through it.

As said in another thread, this is a passionate topic. I guess in the end those who feel wronged simply feel so wronged that they get angrier as they think about it. I'm the kind of guy/user that tries hard to find the middle ground, even when I'm angry.

I feel a bit like if we ignore it all, then certain viewpoints will overtake others and that's how people will think and feel about AA. It's a real quandary for everyone involved, I think. The thing is, it relies on people behaving in a civil manner, and the human tendency is to not do that, unfortunately. Good people have their bad moments, I know that I do. It's ridiculous it can be over forum software, but it just is what it is.