Looks like XenForo have sold out to Internet Brands

top priority: editor, jquery, get rid of unsupported & bugy jquery tools and for avarage joe => BUGFIXES

 

I am simply tired of your MO which is "I have seen SIGNS! OMG XF IS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF/DYING/SOLD OUT TO IB!"

I've seen this happen in past:

XF is based on OS components: "They are ripping people off selling free stuff!!!111EO!NO!N!"
XF is selling integration with search engine: "OMG THEY ARE SELLING OS PRODUCT!!!!OEN!ON!!!!"
XF is hit by legal case forcing devs to work on something else to pull everything out: "OMG THEY ARE NOT POSTING UPDATES EVERY DAY XF IS DYING !!!ONE!NE!ON!!!!11!"

And current one?

"OMG THEY DIDNT REACH AND ANNOUCED SETTLEMENT AFTER FEW HOURS LONG MEETING, THEY SOLD OUT!!!!OEN!O!!!1111OE!!!"

Yea, fact that they didn't end after one conference and didnt post summary right after it is proof for you that XF sold out, and so I am reading same sort of FUD you posted in past.

 

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I call FUD!

 

And you know this how? Are you a party to the mediation?

As a lawyer I can tell you that the terms of any settlement agreement are likely subject to a confidentiality and a non-disclosure agreement, meaning we will never know the specific terms and conditions of any agreement between the parties.

I can also say without question that any settlement is subject to the plaintiff accepting settlement in lieu of litigation.

If you think X then you are Y is not a valid argument, legally or otherwise.

 

I think same thing, that nobody will learn if an agreement does take place, what the specifics of it was. People will be none the wiser, they'll be in the dark, all they'll know is that an agreement took place. Be lucky if you learn more than that.

 

I think we'll know if there is an agreement. Any buyout would likely require that IB assume the terms and conditions of sale of exiting XF customers.

 

I didn't mean we wouldn't know a buyout took place, just the specifics of it we won't learn about. What exactly was agreed between both parties if it happens, that's not something we're likely to get told.

 

Now thats a far more interesting topic. Here goes:

1. keep XF updated to latest PHP, MySQL, JS, html5, Search engine policies. I do not just mean compatible with, but also making use of.
2. Sphinx
3. Editor
4. Reputation system / improved gamification functions.
5. Better subforum listing
6. Expand into CMS, including modules, blog, social groups, reviews, listings/resources manager, etc.
7. Enhance financial system so that we can easily sell name changes, paid listings, ssl, add payment gateways.
8. Update 2010 dated styling to 2013.
9. Management of social media pages and emailings.
10. Official API.
11. PUSH notifications.
12. Enhanced profiles
13. Notification grid to control notification to: onsite, email, mobile
14. Friends
15. Better polls
16. Bounced email processing
17. Gallery
18. Run multiple front ends from the same backend.
19. Desktop notifier & browser plugins.
20. Canned replies
21. See live who is in a thread/ forum and what they are doing.
22. Project Tools / bug tracker.
23. Helpdesk / support tickets.
24. Mobile apps.
25. wikification
26. Answer forums (like stackechange/ yahoo answers)

I'm probably forgetting a bunch, but the above would be a good start.

 

Agreed XF has most of what was needed from the start and not many other core features are required. It is just the jib of developers for plugins and themes to get going with othee stuff.

 

And why do you think this is the problem?
I can tell you why i (as xf 3rd party dev) stopped creating addons:

• Lack of xf devs helping addon coders
• Lack of xf roadmap, which they NEVER wanted to release (e.g. i worked on 2 big addons for clients, which were canceled because they were included while the 1.0.0 beta or 1.1.0 beta phase
  (it was hard, but i loved coding addons, so i had to accept it and do the big things only with an real contract to not have a too big risk)
• And last but not least, the reason which caused me to delete my account => LACK OF KAM PRESENCE in the last months.. / year...

e.g. feed import ( http://xenforo.com/community/threads/xenforo-1-0-0-beta-6-released.10377/#post-141117) which was a big project and the client wanted to pay a nice price for it,... but before i finished it, it was included in xenforo WITHOUT that kier and mike said they're working on it...
or my global rss feed addon, which somebody wanted to have, then he canceled it, and then he asked again for it, because the original xenforo implemention was horrible

ok that's the risk of the job, but i can't/won't live with this risk so bye bye

what's next?
i mean there was no major release of xf since more then 1 year.

they said xenforo was created in 1 year
ok let's take 1/2 of the time away because of their holiday, because of the time which needed to be spent with the problems with IB which means
they had > 1/2 year to work on the next xenforo version

some said they're working and we'll see it once the case is over
some said they hadn't done anything and they'll get back to work once it's over

BOTH scenarios are a NO GO without any official information.
I mean why waste time with coding, releasing and supporting BIG addons, which could be useless on the next day, because from one day to another, kier decided to release a new version?
e.g. i had several clients which wanted a small cms, a forum and they needed a mobile app or at least an mobile style.
i've implemented the first version of http://www.cardcoaches.com/pokerschule/ with xenforo and because i thought that we'll see the mobile style, i never spent my time with the free available 3rd party mob. style.
One day the client said, he doesn't want to wait, so i started to implement everything AGAIN but in vB4, until i canceled the job because i didn't wanted to waste my time with vB4...
If you've worked with xenforo, vB4 is a horro!

Another example: http://forum.mobilegeeks.de/forum.php
OHHHHHHHH; look at the software we had to use there........
Why? not because it's so great, not because they wanted to torture me, only because the owner had heard that xenforo is dead and because he made great experiance with vB3...

I'm sure there would be much more xenforo clients (=> 3rd party addon coder jobs) if KAM wouldn't be silent...
But they've chosen to destroy their work, so why should i waste my time to fix it for them?


Back to xenforo and my IMO best example:

I mean just think about somebody is working since months on implementing an other editor into xenforo and we get 1.2 / 2.0 tomorrow/next week/next month with an new editor, and all his work was useless and he wasted JUST AGAIN his time!


I mean there are several BIG bugs which aren't hard to fix, but as an addon coder i can't do anything as to report the bug and wait for the fix...
I can't fix it for my clients.
I can't force the client to make all these required file changes... I can request that he changes it, but if he doesn't make them, i can't do anything.... Then he's not able to use my addon and that's it... Just another potential client gone...

Don't get me wrong, i've said it since beta 1 and i'm still saying that i love xenforo and their code, because it's IMO the best, most powerful and easiest forum application code to work with, that's why i'm still working with it FOR MY BOARDS.
It's a great basis, but i can't continue the work as 3rd party addon developer because of the things i've posted above...


Enough before the xenforo dramaqueen comes back...

 

I didn't read all that because it was a giant wall of text... but how did something (anything) cause your account to be deleted?

 

Summery for you:

e.g.

That's why i also wrote

 

Yeah, but still confused by what caused your account to be deleted. Was it a bug in XenForo software, or?

 

And last but not least, the reason which caused me to delete my account => LACK OF PRESENCE in the last months.. / year...

 

Strange... I've never heard of something like that. I think I probably still have a Yahoo Mail account that I haven't used in 15 years. I assume my old MySpace account is still there even though it had a lack of my presence.

In fact, yeah... I just searched for it. haha http://www.myspace.com/digitalpoint

 

I also have an old Yahoo account older than that probably.

I don't get the delete my forum account thing either, just leave.

 

Hm, i think you wanted to misunderstand my post (i should hire somebody to translate me, instead of using google translate )

I've deleted my account as protest to show that i'm not happy with xenforo.com , that i'm not happy with their (team ) behavior and that i as addon coder stopped supporting xenforo community because of this.......
http://xenforo.com/community/threads/bye.35493/

 

Oh... well that seems kind of silly. What happens in 20 years if you decide you like the site again? Start over?

 

I never knew you had a drama queen side to you Ragtek? You always seemed very sensible.

I read Jake say he felt you left XenForo over something he contacted you about.

 

Maybe..., (maybe i have already another account to be in contact with some clients, but only because of this selfish reason and not like in the past )

I had my lesson at vb.com where my account was "soft deleted at my request" https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/member.php/122183-ragtek and where i came back after some time, because i thought that fabian would/could change anything and that vB4 would become finally the market leader again. (which never happened)
Did i mention that i've made the same mistake with vB5? But as i said, it was a great lesson for my future => ignore www.vbulletin.com (until they have other managers/owners)

I think the same would happen at xenforo.com
I wouldn't be happy again because IMO some things never would change!

So it's better to move on to other projects and don't waste the time with such things...