vBSEO.com Transition - An Open Letter to Juan Muriente, vBSEO CEO

Exactly. And it went from irritating to downright annoying several pages ago.

 

Mert, summarized.

 

Fact based analysis?

 

Who gives a shit? More importantly why are you people so worried about it now all of a sudden rather than 4 years ago. One thread with all this nonsense was more than enough.

if you're seriously still this bitter and bored with your own lives that you need to meddle in the business of others and create all this drama I suggest therapy.

professional therapy. Its time to move on, its been that time for about 3 years for you TW. Let it go.

 

Thank you for your suggestion. Maybe David is available for some couch time.

 

Likewise, who cares if Juan is getting his funds from Topify? You need to make some money somewhere if you need to do something about your business. Everything's on the line, and you want to save it? DO IT!

 

IF it's a separate legal employment agreement, with absolutely no conflict of interest, there is potentially no great issue in that relationship.

However, there is all kinds of potential for entanglement of compensation (employment) and intellectual property ownership. A forensic audit of all accounts and agreements will eventually make everything clear.

The beginning idea here was that if the team abandoned vBSEO at some point, and did not intend to support it, the customers should have been notified. Likewise, there should have been no further sales offered if they didn't not intend to provide the resources for the support offered. And there should have been no misleading information provided the team was still active or moving forward with development, if that was not a factual statement.

IMO, Topify hasn't been clear enough about the discrepancies with their relationship, and so discussion continues in that regard. When they respond about the ZDNet and Corp Wiki data, this may finalize the point.

The legal aspects of the entangling of these businesses is something more important to the founders than it is to the ongoing operations, going forward.

Most of the discussion here is in response to questions raised and challenges to the interpretation of the data presented - or in some cases, false statements presented as fact by some contributors.

 

That is the beginning and the end of the topics of interest to vBSEO customers. Everything else is entirely self-serving.

We don't care. You do. Ilia does. Customers don't.

No. Something important ONLY to you and Ilia.

Not true. Most of the discussion here has been about your personal disagreements or dissatisfaction with Juan. Again, nobody else gives a damn one way or another.

 

Then explain why for the better last 2 years, they've been asking, asking, and asking where is Juan, where is the staff, where is this and that. What will happen? What's the state of vBSEO?

Do me a favor, and speak for yourself.

 

Because they want to know the fate of vBSEO. Do me a favor and read before you react.

They want to know the fate of vBSEO. The fate of Joe, Ilia, Topify, or even Juan is of little or no interest to vBSEO customers except insofar as it DIRECTLY relates to the fate of the product.

 

I did read.

It has everything to do the fate of the product. All of this drama devalues the worthiness of vBSEO or any other product or project they have in the pipeline. Let me put it this way, if I was a potential investor in vBSEO, I would be deterred from doing any more business with them. As a customer, I wouldn't want to do business with them again if this is what's going on. The long absence doesn't help, either... So, yes, it has everything to do with it.

 

djbaxter is simultaneously pushing the discussion, and complaining when I respond.

 

It is time to invoke Godwin's Law and compare Juan Muriente to Adolf Hitler in some manner.

 

Why don't you simply see the true reason ?

Every one of us within vBulletin world lost interest to vBulletin because of terrible Internet Brands decisions. Why do you seek for an alternative reason when the discussion is about vBSEO ?

How many style developers abandoned vBulletin and closed their shop ?
How many paid or free moderator developer abandoned vBulletin and stop supporting, releasing modifications ?

The truth is pretty simple , vBulletin is no more a profitable product to develop modifications for.

Yes Juan did mistakes too but vBulletin's situation is not his fault. In fact if he wasn't there and offered a script like vBSEO , highly possible vBuletin's death will be sooner. vBSEO was a key reason why vBulletin lasted that long. Otherwise vBulletin would banish behind many other scripts on vBulletin 4 days.

The reason for the above question is pretty simple , hope you'll also realise that.

 

I do.

You don't have to tell me that, I'M a former vB3/vB4 customer, who also happens to be a vBSEO customer. I should know.

I didn't, and I still don't. It's the customers that's the problem. This is what djbaxter said:

I was responding to this. ^

There is no other alternative to vBSEO - No other way to make money off of vB4 at this time. Unless you look at seovb.com

I said it before, and I'll say it again: This drama has EVERYTHING to do with the fate of vBSEO. Everything. Because even if Illia wanted to resolve the problem, get the team back together, and whatnot. Whatever end result Illia wanted in the first place, it won't materialize like she intended to. Bridges were burnt, public relations are damaged, the product itself is dead. There is no way back from hell that this is. Thus why I said sell the brand, and start over with something new.

That's a vBulletin problem, not a vBSEO problem. But I do understand what you're trying to say, tho. A lot of the modifications or skins were designed in conjunction with both VB4/SEO.

Precisely what I've been saying! It makes zero sense for Illia or whatever's left of "Crawlability" to continue developing, supporting or evangelizing vBSEO.

But vBulletin Solutions doesn't see that. They think they can sail better waters without vBSEO. I disagree with that notion. In fact, it's the whole reason why I said to sell vBSEO brand to someone who's capable of taking it to the next level.

It would in Internet Brand's interest to buy the vBSEO brand. And I mean, take full control of vBSEO.

 

More to come soon. Moving forward.